kerravonsen: Tony Stark 3/4 face (Tony-Stark)

"You're keeping things from me," Tony said.

"Of course I'm keeping things from you," she said. "I don't want to mislead you with bad data. The information I have is inconsistent, like... like the legends of Arthur are inconsistent."

Tony smirked. "So I'm King Arthur, am I?"

"No..." she said. "Captain America fits that role better. The once and future king shall return, and all that." She didn't notice the smile freeze on his face. She continued, "You're Merlin."

"Merlin?"

"Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic," she said.

"You have a point there," he said.

kerravonsen: Tony Stark reclined with his hand over his face (Tony-Stark-hates-mornings)

In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there are two special categories of character for whom the normal rules do not apply. I don't know if this also applies to the Marvel comics, but I've certainly seen it in the movies. I call them the "Favoured" and the "Disfavoured" characters.

A Favoured character can do no wrong.

I don't mean that they don't do anything wrong, I mean that the wrong things (or mistakes) they do are dismissed, ignored, rationalised, or made out to be good things.

A Disfavoured character can do no right.

It isn't that they never do anything right, but every single wrong thing (or mistake) they have ever done is thrown in their faces forever, and the right things they do are dismissed, ignored, rationalised, or made out to be bad things. They are everyone's favourite scapegoat, also.

Signs of a Favoured Character )

Signs of a Disfavoured Character )

When you have a Favoured character interacting with a Disfavoured character, because of these biases, every Favoured character comes across as a flaming hypocrite. Which means that the writers who are desperately trying to enforce the view that their Favoured characters are spotless heroes, have done the exact opposite of what they intended. Ooops.

I would even go so far as to say that out of Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Thor, and Loki, the only mature, responsible adult is... Tony Stark. He's the only one of the four who actually takes responsibility for his actions, and not only for his actions, but for his inaction. Steve Rogers seems to think that because he meant well, he can't be blamed for the harm he caused. Thor has a similar attitude. Guess what? Tony Stark meant well, too; he meant to protect American soldiers. And what does he do when he discovers that harm came of it? He tries to make amends. Steve Rogers doesn't. Thor doesn't. Loki is a wild mixture of blaming other people for his problems, trying to fix his mistakes, and trying to fix other people's mistakes, badly. Interestingly enough, both Tony Stark and Loki were betrayed by people they considered family. But Tony had support (Yinsen, Pepper) and Loki had absolutely nobody.

kerravonsen: Thor with animated lightning, black and white (Thor)

Yes, a post which is not about ice cream! I feel like rambling on about "Thor: Love and Thunder" as I finally saw it recently. But being me, I'm likely to wander off into worldbuilding thoughts as well as more direct topics.

(And there are spoilers in the following.)

things I liked )

things that were annoying )

things that made me cross )

rambling )

Of course many things are not spelled out, because in a movie there isn't time to go into details. Which means one has to deduce and infer and tease out tiny little details and then weigh how significant they actually are. But then, that's what fans do.

kerravonsen: Tony Stark pointing his finger with an incredulous expression (Tony-Stark-thinks-youre-nuts)

The more I ponder "Avengers: Age of Ultron", the more it feels like an escapee from a Mirror Universe. Sure, the Doylist explanation is that it was directed by Joss Wheadon, who would consider himself a coward if he didn't destroy continuity, but I have no ideas about what a Watsonian explanation for this would be.

rambly spoilery discussion )

kerravonsen: Thor with animated lightning, black and white (Thor)

(don't have a Black Panther icon, so I'm using Thor.)

So, I've watched The Black Panther now. It was okay, but there were points where I was bored and wondered whether I should continue watching. I think it was because none of the characters really clicked with me. I mean, they were okay, the nice ones were nice, the bad ones were bad, and so on. But none of them grabbed me by the heart.

here be spoilers, because I'm considerate like that )

kerravonsen: Tony Stark 3/4 face (Tony-Stark)
The Marvel Trumps Hate auction is live. Bid on me for charity and I will make you stealth-fannish Marvel-themed jewellery!
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Auction ends on Saturday, or is it Sunday?

BID FOR CHARITY.
kerravonsen: Jack O'Neill holding a gun: "security blanket" (Jack-gun)

Yes, I am watching these all in the wrong order, very late. That's pretty standard for my Marvel watching. I was spoiled for the spoilery thing, but I'm glad that I listened to the people who told me it was worth watching, because it was worth watching, because there was a lot more going on than just the spoilery thing. And I am in great admiration for the way they handled the thematic structure in this one.

I'm assuming you've already seen the movie )

kerravonsen: Liberator orbiting planet: One true ship (one-true-ship)

A band of rebels fighting against the evil Federation:

  • The alien spaceship "Avenger", run by the artificial intelligence Jar-Vis.
  • Steve Rogers - political activist and legend, he supposedly died seventy years ago, but was found, resurrected, mind-wiped, caught at a political rally (where the protesters were massacred), framed for child-molestation, and sentenced to Transportation to Cygnus Alpha.
  • Tony Stark - businessman, engineer, computer tech, convicted of embezzling billions of credits; but he was framed by his business partner, Obadiah Stane, who was the real embezzler. Stark maintains that if he'd actually wanted to steal billions of credits, he would never have been caught.
  • Bruce Banner - government experiment gone wrong, most of the time he's just a mild-mannered scientist, but if he gets angry, he turns into a raging berserker. Convicted of murdering a guard who was threatening to rape his girlfriend Betty Ross.
  • Natasha Romanov - smuggler, pirate, free trader, pilot of the infamous "Black Widow"
  • Clint Barton - co-pilot and partner of Romanov, between them there isn't any place they can't infiltrate and steal from.
  • Loki - a genderfluid alien shapeshifter, they have their own reasons for hating the Federation, but they aren't saying.

Yeah, I put Loki in the "Cally" slot rather than Thor, because IMHO he fits better. Though I suppose Sylvie would fit even better.

kerravonsen: Steampunk raygun: "R is for Raygun" (r-is-for-raygun)

We've got a bunch of heroes here, the Avengers, but they don't all see heroism in the same way.

Steve Rogers:

Read more... )

Tony Stark:

Read more... )

Bruce Banner:

Read more... )

Thor:

Read more... )

Natasha Romanov:

Read more... )

Clint Barton:

I don't actually know enough about what motivates him, really.


And a couple more, because they are interesting.

Read more... )


This analysis of the characters has a lot of interesting implications. But the thing I'm most pleased about is that I think I've finally got a handle on Steve Rogers. At least to a degree. But hey, what do you all think? Am I mistaken about all this? Can anyone fill in the gaps in what I know? PLEASE chime in! (Don't let me think I am all alone in Space with a Chitauri army in front of me...)

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Yeah. I've been pretty silent for a while. Why? I think I got out of the habit of keeping up with Dreamwidth, and then I felt so overwhelmed that I then avoided it out of guilt for not keeping up. So, my apologies everyone, I have no idea what you have been doing. Let me know if there's anything you want me to know...

We've been busy (before Easter) distributing my father's Estate, which means that I now have two office chairs, a replacement sofa, some boxes of crockery, linen, photos, artefacts etc, and of course books. And two new bookcases for said books. And a chest of drawers which is definitely not going to have clothing put in it.

Read more... )

kerravonsen: a gun: "The mind, the first and final battleground. A weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind." (weapon-change-mind)

On re-watching Iron Man, and pondering Thor-1, it seems to me that SHIELD's knee-jerk reaction is to cover things up even when they don't need covering up. Consider the two cover stories they made in Iron Man: that Tony Stark's bodyguard is Iron Man, and that Stane died in a light plane crash.

You don't need to be warned for spoilers for MCU surely? )

A:IW

Aug. 7th, 2020 09:43 pm
kerravonsen: Steampunk raygun: "R is for Raygun" (raygun)

Well, I just watched Avengers: Infinity War. (Yes, yes, many years late I know). I'm glad I already knew how it ended, because I think I would have felt betrayed, otherwise. Talk about pulling out your heart and stomping on it... over and over again. Like, angst amped up to eleven. As it was, I was prepared for it, and more able to cope, because I also know what happens in Endgame (which I expect will upset me more when I see it, because Tony.) But there will always be fix-it fic!

cut for rambling spoilers )

I feel a bit smug that I already know what the end-credit scene means, since I actually saw Captain Marvel in the cinema when it came out. Yes, I am watching stuff out of order...

kerravonsen: "Guard your honour. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards." (guard-your-honour)

In the event I ever actually manage to write any MCU fanfic (not very likely, since I haven't written any fanfic in years) this is my disclaimer for readers.

Unlike my other fandoms, with the Marvel (Cinematic) Universe, I will not be a stickler for canon. I will cherry-pick anything I like from MCU canon, from Marvel-616, from Norse Mythology, and (gasp) even from fanon!

There are a few reasons for this:

  1. I'm never going to (manage to) watch all the MCU, so I'm not even going to try. Consequently, I've also chosen to not avoid spoilers for the movies that I'm not intending to see. Even if I have been informed by spoilers, though, this still means that my knowledge of canon is imperfect, and I am likely to confuse canon with fanon, with Marvel-616, with Norse Mythology etc.

  2. Civil War: I reject your reality and replace it with my own. The whole concept of the Civil War is so painful to me that I am never ever going to watch that movie. But as I said above, yes, I've read spoilers for it, so I know what happens. I also stumbled across an interesting fact on a Marvelverse wiki, which said that someone (Reed Richards I think) was investigating/viewing the Multiverse and found that there was only one universe where the Civil War didn't happen, and that's where Tony Stark was female (Natasha Stark) and ended up marrying Steve Rogers instead of fighting him. (Interesting subtext there!) So, according to Marvel canon (which embraces the concept of multiverse) the Civil War is basically inevitable. And I reject that. I reject that vehemently. At least in the MCU version of it, it was clear that what happened was a trainwreck of misunderstanding and miscommunication. Yes, yes, it is plausible (maybe even inevitable) that Tony Stark and Steve Rogers would disagree on the Accords, but it took a heck of a lot of things going wrong for that disagreement to turn into violence. So I reject it.

  3. There are fanon characterisations that I really like a lot, so it is very likely that my characterisations will be influenced by them, even if they aren't consistent with canon.

kerravonsen: cartoon Ood: "would you like a piece of my mind?" (Ood)

Superhero origin stories are the most interesting, because they are the only ones where there is any character development. All the rest are Boys Own Adventure and Soap Opera.

Why do I say that?

Origins:Read more... )

Adventures:Read more... )

Soap Opera:Read more... )

Things Can Be Better in Fanfic:

I've been reading a lot of Marvel Cinematic Universe stories lately, even though I haven't actually seen very many of the movies. It's one of the few universes where I don't mind spoilers because I don't really intend to watch all the movies -- there are too many of them to catch up on, anyway. And I've been reading mostly Alternate Universe stories, which means it doesn't matter that much if I don't know all the details. So... I've been reading a bunch of Tony-Stark-centric and Loki-centric stories, and I have a few recommendations. Read more... )


So, any recs for more Tony-centric or Loki-centric character-full stories (that are NOT SLASH)?

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