kerravonsen | Loki S1 E4: The Nexus Event

OMG! OMG! I cried. !!! This show. This show. Wow.

Aiiiie! They faked me out real good. I mean, it was bad enough when Mobius was killed, that hit me in the feels, that was bad.
And then Loki oh what the heck, I was crying, I really was.
And then... he's alive. Somewhere. Somewhen. Probably at an apocalypse. With what looks like other Loki variants.

Spthpthpthptrh...

(sputters, speechless)

(takes a deep breath or two)

So. From the top. Well, not from the top, I'm not going to try to do this in order. Here we have another bullet-point list of doom.

I totally called it on the Timekeepers not being real! Go me!
- But, as Loki said, "Then who created the TVA?"
- I hadn't really gotten as far as trying to figure that out. (My "Miss Minutes" theory is not a real theory.)
  - Problem is, there aren't any obvious suspects. Not that I can think of. (I'm ruling out the Judge-lady, see below.) I'll probably end up kicking myself for missing the obvious when all is revealed. Assuming all is revealed, that is. It might not be.
So the Judge-lady (google tells me that her name is Ravonna) seems to be in on the conspiracy. But not a mastermind of it.
- Because she wasn't always a judge, so I assume she wasn't always in the know.
- It's clear that she is in the know now, and heavily implied that she killed Hunter C-20 for knowing too much.
- Willing to die... because of course that would protect the conspiracy. But of course Sylvie would not fall for that.
- I think Ravonna was being sincere when she said she wanted to protect Mobius. Because she knew that if he figured it out, she'd have to kill him, and she didn't want to do that.
  - But oh MOBIUS!!!! Just when he and Loki had been reconciled. Aiie. I am so sad.
    - And again with Mobius and his profound questions to Loki: "Do you really think you deserve to be alone?"
I found it really hard to understand what the Timekeeper-androids were saying.
- And why was it that they (or I should say, whoever is behind them) wanted both Lokis brought before the Timekeepers anyway?
- Yay for Hunter B-15!
Ouch with the repeated time-loop of Sif beating up Loki both physically and verbally.
- "You will always be alone, and you deserve to be."
- (My friend JB The Elder, in our discussion about Episode 1, dropped hints about Loki's aloneness being important; looks like it's coming to a head here)
- Mobius was wrong when he said that Sylvie was Loki's girlfriend, so wrong. Sylvie is Loki's sister. His little sister.
- And it seems that the nexus event has something to do with that. With two Lokis no longer feeling alone, making a connection with each other.
  - What makes a Loki a Loki? God of Mischief, god of lies, god of chaos, perpetual loser, perpetual survivor, always alone.
  - And, as Mobius said, more trouble than any other variant combined.
  - Which makes me think that the reason why that is such an unusual nexus event is that when multiple Lokis work together, they can create enough chaos to bring down the TVA. Because the TVA is the enemy of chaos, and chaos is the enemy of the TVA.
But how come Loki isn't dead? Does that mean Mobius isn't dead either? (crosses fingers, but doesn't hold out much hope)
In the flashback of where Sylvie was originally captured, there was a man with a goatee being manhandled by a guard. Was that a Tony Stark variant?
- I along with Loki, have to really admire Sylvie for surviving and overcoming her circumstances.
- I think Ravonna was probably lying when she said she didn't remember what Sylvie's nexus point was. Just to twist the knife.
Those Loki variants at the end all have really terrible fashion sense. And was that a crocodile?

More philosophically, the TVA and Endgame!Thanos have this in common: they want an orderly universe, created in line with their own vision, and have decided that the only way they can have stability is to wipe out (the memories of) any of the pesky insects who are so ridiculously stubborn that they fight against the inevitable because they remember how it was Before.

(Aside about the previous episode: Tom Hiddleston can sing! Whoa! Now I want him and Robert Downey Jr. to sing together.) C'mon, please, somebody comment! Am I all alone here, like Loki?

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Hi! Lurker here. I am enjoying all of your commentaries for each episode!

My eldest daughter and I have been watching each week and while we agree that the show is being cagey about the specific way Loki is relating to Sylvie, we both view it as a sibling relationship! It's so lovely, too.

I like that the show balances thoughtful dialogue with action. I know some people are finding the philosophical discussions boring but I really enjoy them. They're intelligent in a way you don't find often in television.

we both view it as a sibling relationship! It's so lovely, too.

Yes, so lovely.

I like that the show balances thoughtful dialogue with action. I know some people are finding the philosophical discussions boring but I really enjoy them. They're intelligent in a way you don't find often in television.

Poor them for being bored. Don't they know that it's impossible to prevent Loki from talking philosophy? He's too much of an intellectual not to -- even when he's mad-as-cats!Loki, he'll be ranting about the futility of existence.

This was the last ep that my wife and I have watched, so tonight or tomorrow we'll watch last week's so we can watch this week's on schedule.

I've been suspecting the Judge was crooked, but it didn't become obvious until Mobius stole her PDA/whatever. PTDA - Personal Temporal Data Assistant, there we go. With that he learned the truth, which got him - executed, or whatever. I'm also suspecting that getting zapped - perhaps unbeknownst to the TVA - is not actually erasure, but getting tported to somewhere else. In Loki's case, to another apocalypse and a group of other Lokis where fun times will surely ensue.

Personally I think Mobius is probably still alive, somewhere. I think he was taken from a world where he was an 8 to 5 office guy who, on the weekend, hooked up a trailer to his truck that had a pair of Jet Skis and drove up to the lake with his son or wife and played around for hours. That could be a possible explanation for his fascination with the catalog: his programming was wearing thin.

Next ep is going to be interesting!

Well, when you've caught up to the next episode, you can tell me what you think - in my next post!

Yeah, I think in his former life he must have owned at least one Jet Ski and had great fun on it. I like your idea that his suppressed memories of Jet Skis is also associated with suppressed memories of loved ones.

You look at the guard that the Judge iced, and that's what she wanted, as did Mobius: he wanted to know about his previous life. Kinda makes sense. And now I recall that SheLoki (name eludes me) unlocked the guard's memories of her previous life.

I want to watch it, but I have yet to catch up with the Marvel films which I'm watching in chronological order. And it's slow because Greg isn't very interested.

Fair enough. Because it is set after Endgame (if anything involving time travel could be said to have an "after").

I haven't seen all the Marvel films because I came in late and decided I wasn't even going to try to watch all of them. But I did want to see the ones I did see in chronological order; I just concentrated on the Iron Man, Thor, and Avengers movies, and skipped all the others apart from Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel.

But darn, it's frustrating that Greg isn't interested!

He liked the Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy ones and thought Captain Marvel was excellent, but he really pretty much bailed on Iron Man. I think he'll like Antman and also Loki when I get to it, because Loki's fun.

He doesn't like Iron Man? But Tony is the best character of them all! (In my totally biased opinion)

Well, he didn't like the Iron Man films. I can't remember what's up next but I'll watch it next time he's got evening online meetings or is away. There's a chronological list on Disney+ I'm working through. Civil War, I think?

He takes dislikes to things but sometimes when I'm watching something, he'll get pulled in and change his mind. We'll see. :-) I think he's interested in Black Panther, so there's something. I also want to watch Wandavision and I need to get through for that too.

I have no intention of watching Civil War -- too heartbreaking.
And no Wandavision -- hits my embarrasment squick with the sitcom stuff.

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