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kerravonsen) wrote2008-11-23 08:11 pm
kerravonsen) wrote2008-11-23 08:11 pm
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Tin Man
Well, I finally saw Tin Man today (on DVD). Now I understand why people like it (and why, I gather, many people ship D.G. and Cain). I'm not sure whether it's meant to be a remake or a sequel, since it has elements of both. Heaps and heaps of echoes of the original, and yet it isn't the same plot.
I'd gotten the impression, from what people had said about it, that it was a "post-Apocalyptic Oz", and I still think that's a reasonably good description, because the place is full of ruins and devastation and decay, and the hard edge that makes one think of things like Mad Max; a touch of steampunk mixed in with the magic.
It's one of those stories that have more than one level; it could easily have been done in a shallow, superficial way, and yet, somehow, I think partly because of the calibre of the actors, it was deeper than that. Sure, there were many things I could see coming a mile off, but that didn't matter.
I figured as soon as we saw The Seeker that he was actually D.G.'s father, though I'm not sure what twigged me to it.
I'd actually been spoiled for the reveal that D.G. stood for "Dorothy Gale", since I stumbled upon a discussion of how that didn't jibe with the books, since Ozma was the Queen of Oz, not Dorothy. I was rather amused by the theory in that discussion, that Ozma decided she was sick of being a girl and wanted to go back to being a boy (Tip), and that Tip and Dorothy got married. Mind you, the origins of Ozma are apparently so inconsistent in Oz canon that one more inconsistency is par for the course, I guess.
There were so many places where it skated close to saccharine moralising but didn't quite tip over the edge. For example, I liked how they resolved the Cain versus Zero situation, because it avoided both the too violent and too nice options, and gave a large dollop of poetic justice instead.
So, can anyone point me towards some good Tin Man fic?
I'd gotten the impression, from what people had said about it, that it was a "post-Apocalyptic Oz", and I still think that's a reasonably good description, because the place is full of ruins and devastation and decay, and the hard edge that makes one think of things like Mad Max; a touch of steampunk mixed in with the magic.
It's one of those stories that have more than one level; it could easily have been done in a shallow, superficial way, and yet, somehow, I think partly because of the calibre of the actors, it was deeper than that. Sure, there were many things I could see coming a mile off, but that didn't matter.
I figured as soon as we saw The Seeker that he was actually D.G.'s father, though I'm not sure what twigged me to it.
I'd actually been spoiled for the reveal that D.G. stood for "Dorothy Gale", since I stumbled upon a discussion of how that didn't jibe with the books, since Ozma was the Queen of Oz, not Dorothy. I was rather amused by the theory in that discussion, that Ozma decided she was sick of being a girl and wanted to go back to being a boy (Tip), and that Tip and Dorothy got married. Mind you, the origins of Ozma are apparently so inconsistent in Oz canon that one more inconsistency is par for the course, I guess.
There were so many places where it skated close to saccharine moralising but didn't quite tip over the edge. For example, I liked how they resolved the Cain versus Zero situation, because it avoided both the too violent and too nice options, and gave a large dollop of poetic justice instead.
So, can anyone point me towards some good Tin Man fic?
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Problem, though: I was driven out of the fandom after only a couple of weeks by the sheer volume of poorly-written and/or -plotted DG/Cain and Cain/Glitch fluff and/or angst fic. So I have no recs for you. I keep meaning to go back and do a recs search now that it's been several months since the DVDs were released, but I never seem to find the time.
I do like that theory on how Dorothy got to be the Queen of Oz; it's either that, or Ozma was killed somehow, and honorary-Princess Dorothy was made ruler by popular acclaim with the rest of their friends as advisors. I keep meaning to write D.G. happening upon the original 14 OZ books in-story as half history, half legend written long after the fact about the first Gale Queen of the O.Z. But I just haven't had the time or energy for it this year.
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I was driven out of the fandom after only a couple of weeks by the sheer volume of poorly-written and/or -plotted DG/Cain and Cain/Glitch fluff and/or angst fic.
Ah, like Harry Potter fandom; very hard to find the good stuff in the midst of the dross. But I shall assume that there is good stuff somewhere, even if we don't know where it is.
I do like that theory on how Dorothy got to be the Queen of Oz; it's either that, or Ozma was killed somehow, and honorary-Princess Dorothy was made ruler by popular acclaim with the rest of their friends as advisors.
Dorothy marrying Tip would explain why the royal line still had magic in it; but perhaps Tip was also killed, and Dorothy became Queen as you say. Or there could be some rule in the constitution that said that Oz must be ruled by a woman, so when Ozma became Tip, she also abdicated in favour of Dorothy.
I keep meaning to write D.G. happening upon the original 14 OZ books in-story as half history, half legend written long after the fact about the first Gale Queen of the O.Z.
Hmmm, interesting. That would make O.Z. canon trump Oz canon, which is the other way around to how I normally would think of it. We do know that there are inconsistencies; not just the Queen Dorothy thing, but also the assertion that Dorothy was the first Othersider to find the O.Z. - because according to Oz canon, the first Othersider would have been the Wizard. On the other hand, considering that the Wizard hid his origins, and Dorothy didn't, that fact could be easily lost in time.
Ah, I love reconciling canon inconsistencies!